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What about alternatives like solar, wind, hydrogen etc?

Unfortunately, it is too late. It would take us a minimum of 50 years to develop a food delivery infrastructure based on alternative energies. Peak Oil is going to occur within five. Even if we stopped all wars, and committed ourselves entirely to energy alternatives such as solar, wind, hydrogen etc, the best we can hope for is to soften the fall.

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I think you are underestimating the human spirit. Humanity always adapts to challenges. We wil just adapt to this too.

Absolutely, we will adapt. Part of that adaptation process will include most of us dying if we don't take massive action right now.

The human spirit is capable of some miraculous things. We need a miracle right now, so the human spirit had better get its' ass in gear, pronto.

Unfortunately, there is no law that says when humanity adapts to catastrophe, everybody gets to survive. Think of any mass tragedy connected to war or resources such as oil, land, food, buffalo, etc. . The societies affected usually survive, but in a drastically different and often unrecognizable form. ...

Does Peak Oil have anything to do with legislation such as Patriot Act I, and Patriot Act II?

When food production plummets, the only way to control the population will be through the institution of a fascist style police state. The passage of the Patriot Acts are the foundation of that state.

Does Peak Oil have anything to do with Bush's plan to go to the Moon and then onto Mars?

We're going back to the Moon and onto Mars for three reasons:

1. To Develop Advanced Oil Drilling Techniques. ...
2. To Develop and Deploy Space Based Weapons ...
3. To Mine "Helium-3" In Hopes That It Can Be Used As Fuel ...

Clearly, we have a real problem, but you're describing the worst case scenario, right?

I'm describing the most likely scenario.

The best possible scenario is 2-3 billion lives lost instead of 5.5 billion or more.

The worst case scenario is extinction, as the wars that will accompany the worldwide oil shortage will likely be the most horrific and widespread that humanity has ever experienced.

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[Bad username or site: jodawi' phonepostid='9' / @ livejournal.com]

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in other news,

What about alternatives like solar, wind, hydrogen etc?

Unfortunately, it is too late. It would take us a minimum of 50 years to develop a food delivery infrastructure based on alternative energies. Peak Oil is going to occur within five. Even if we stopped all wars, and committed ourselves entirely to energy alternatives such as solar, wind, hydrogen etc, the best we can hope for is to soften the fall.

...

I think you are underestimating the human spirit. Humanity always adapts to challenges. We wil just adapt to this too.

Absolutely, we will adapt. Part of that adaptation process will include most of us dying if we don't take massive action right now.

The human spirit is capable of some miraculous things. We need a miracle right now, so the human spirit had better get its' ass in gear, pronto.

Unfortunately, there is no law that says when humanity adapts to catastrophe, everybody gets to survive. Think of any mass tragedy connected to war or resources such as oil, land, food, buffalo, etc. . The societies affected usually survive, but in a drastically different and often unrecognizable form. ...

Does Peak Oil have anything to do with legislation such as Patriot Act I, and Patriot Act II?

When food production plummets, the only way to control the population will be through the institution of a fascist style police state. The passage of the Patriot Acts are the foundation of that state.

Does Peak Oil have anything to do with Bush's plan to go to the Moon and then onto Mars?

We're going back to the Moon and onto Mars for three reasons:

1. To Develop Advanced Oil Drilling Techniques. ...
2. To Develop and Deploy Space Based Weapons ...
3. To Mine "Helium-3" In Hopes That It Can Be Used As Fuel ...

Clearly, we have a real problem, but you're describing the worst case scenario, right?

I'm describing the most likely scenario.

The best possible scenario is 2-3 billion lives lost instead of 5.5 billion or more.

The worst case scenario is extinction, as the wars that will accompany the worldwide oil shortage will likely be the most horrific and widespread that humanity has ever experienced.

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attn all people making economic statements -

yes the economy looked good during clinton land and looks terrible in bush land, but it looked good in clinton land because of massive corporate crime and a dot com bubble of irrationality of a magnitude that hasn't been seen since the great depression. it couldn't have lasted, and the massive decline in the stock market would have happened no matter who was in the white house, because that's what happens after the bubble of irrationality pops.

similarly, all of the noise bush makes about helping the economy is noise, because the bubble pop and subsequent recovery takes several years to develop. whoever is in office on the upswing gets to take the credit. that's why massive deficits are great, because someone else will be in office when they have to be dealt with.

of course, things can be nudged this way and that.

anyway: drawing conclusions about oil crash starting now due to the recent bad economy seems unwarranted - it would be bad now regardless of oil peak. my guess is that the oil crash will not be fully developed until 2020 or so.

it could be that the massive corporate crime, tax breaks, etc are due to the rich preparing for the coming crash, tho not in any organized or conscious way aside from certain oil powers and analysts influencing the behaviors of their class. don't fund alternative energy sources, because it's better to clean the world of several billion people in non-US lands and some millions in us lands to help ensure that it's an american century. massive foreign debt disappears when the foreign nations disappear as such. rising sea levels wiping out lots of poor country's cities and crops and suchlike is helpful, even tho some fine us real estate would have to go with it. they'll need to get star wars in place tho for the preemptive defense nuking of china.

but that's just crazy talk. it's actually gerbils behind it all. all! more importantly, if not crazy talk, they're all likely to find things turning out much differently than their plans suggest. fnord.

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attn all people making economic statements -

yes the economy looked good during clinton land and looks terrible in bush land, but it looked good in clinton land because of massive corporate crime and a dot com bubble of irrationality of a magnitude that hasn't been seen since the great depression. it couldn't have lasted, and the massive decline in the stock market would have happened no matter who was in the white house, because that's what happens after the bubble of irrationality pops.

similarly, all of the noise bush makes about helping the economy is noise, because the bubble pop and subsequent recovery takes several years to develop. whoever is in office on the upswing gets to take the credit. that's why massive deficits are great, because someone else will be in office when they have to be dealt with.

of course, things can be nudged this way and that.

anyway: drawing conclusions about oil crash starting now due to the recent bad economy seems unwarranted - it would be bad now regardless of oil peak. my guess is that the oil crash will not be fully developed until 2020 or so.

it could be that the massive corporate crime, tax breaks, etc are due to the rich preparing for the coming crash, tho not in any organized or conscious way aside from certain oil powers and analysts influencing the behaviors of their class. don't fund alternative energy sources, because it's better to clean the world of several billion people in non-US lands and some millions in us lands to help ensure that it's an american century. massive foreign debt disappears when the foreign nations disappear as such. rising sea levels wiping out lots of poor country's cities and crops and suchlike is helpful, even tho some fine us real estate would have to go with it. they'll need to get star wars in place tho for the preemptive defense nuking of china.

but that's just crazy talk. it's actually gerbils behind it all. all! more importantly, if not crazy talk, they're all likely to find things turning out much differently than their plans suggest. fnord.