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[jodawi]

http://www.nofoiegras.org/FS_cabill_PR2.htm

If it's ethically ok to kill and eat animals, why isn't it ok to torture them? Are they meat property or are they things with rights?

If it's ethically ok to kill some prisoners, why isn't it ok to eat them?

Is painlessly killing and eating a person humane?

Comments

to take a stab at this subject...

[plantgirl.livejournal.com]

Just because something is going to die does not take away its right to a pleasant life. I'm going to die. I still object to being tortured.

I have no problem with eating prisoners, except that most prisoners are extremely unhealthy. Bad meat. The rates of HIV, hepatitis (all types), and tuberculosis are 16 gazillion times higher in prisons than in the general population.

If the human would be killed anyway? Why not?

Note: I object to the death penalty. I think it should be abolished, and work toward that end. But if we're going to have it, then we should go all the way. Organ donation, food, whatever can be culled from the corpse. Just to be consistent, I also eat very little meat. Not currently vegetarian, for various reasons I will explain should you care, but neither am I a rabid carnivore.

Re: to take a stab at this subject...

[jodawi.livejournal.com]

I think animals must be prisoners, since prisoners can't be tortured, and therefore are bad meat.

Re: to take a stab at this subject...

[plantgirl.livejournal.com]

The second part of your statement does not follow what I wrote. I was saying human prisoners are bad meat because they are usually diseased. It is quite possible that food animals are kept healthier than human prisoners, if only because diseased food animals are killed and thrown away. Be tricky to do that with diseased human prisoners.

I agree that our food animals are generally prisoners. If, however, you & I take control of the universe and decide that animals should not be prisoners, what do we do with the billions fo food animals currently being fed & maintained by humans? How do we phase out the practice of keeping food animals without kiling them? Are we being reasonable if we declare that no new animals may be bred for food, but that we will go ahead & slaughter & eat the animals that are currently in reserve?

Re: to take a stab at this subject...

[jodawi.livejournal.com]

The second part of your statement does not follow what I wrote.

it did not come before what you wrote!


the existing food animals will be elected to the executive branch, where they will serve the public interest more ably than the alternatives.

[culloden.livejournal.com]

Well, I'd have to say that most humans don't treat themselves with respect, so why do people who care expect these same humans to treat animals with dignity? We've got over %70 of the American population that are physical blobs, with minimal meat tissue, spiritually dead, with the Canadian population not that far behind, and the rest of the world humans also leaning that way. Humans and self-abuse go hand in hand, so it follows that animals are killed and tortured. You can't expect anything more from humans as a collective.

[epi-lj.livejournal.com]

I don't think it's ethically okay to kill and eat animals, so my opinions on this may be biased. However, to take a stab at this, I suspect that most people live in the illusion that animals are perfectly happy with the lives they have on big industry farms and so on and that they have a sudden, oblivious, painless and "humane" death when they die. Thus, while their lives are cut short, their lives aren't rife with opportunity anyway so they're not missing out on much, and they don't actually suffer at all. Supposedly. I guess.

It's not okay to kill and eat humans because that gives rise to all sorts of diseases in the mad cow family, among others. I suspect that the taboo against canniblism comes from learning thousands of years ago that sometimes when you eat other people, you and possibly everyone around you dies.

I don't know how communion comes into play.

And I'm not fully vegan yet, which puts me on the highly morally questionable ground of thinking it's not okay to kill animals but it's okay to keep them alive and torture them (i.e. use them for dairy the way our dairy industry works). I need to work on my resolve on that issue. Perhaps buying only free-range, organic dairy from farmers whose conditions I can visit and inspect would be better. I dunno. Or I could just get a backbone and give up the cheese.

On the other hand, my entire family back home has decided that they're going to eat nothing but veal from now on.