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Apophenia ([personal profile] jodawi) wrote2005-08-26 08:28 am

Same old

Army Reserve Brigadier General Janis Karpinski tells all

    It's really a good old boys' network. Come hell or high water, they're going to maintain the status quo. They all live by each other in Fort Myers, or near Fort Myers. I'm sure that they have these cigar-smoking sessions where they're all patting each other on the back that they got another female out of the way, before I was able to get higher up in the senior levels. But I always expected that reservists would find support from their own component, and not be tagged as bad apples. For myself, there was not any support whatsoever.

    I just find it incredible that the system - the Pentagon and the Judicial System - can continue to keep those soldiers in jail when there are simply volumes of documents and information that is emerging, and continues to emerge, that says exactly what one, in particular, Graner, was saying all along: that he was ordered to do these things by the Military Intelligence people and the interrogators, the contract interrogators. And there's more and more information to support that. The recommendation was that General Miller from Gitmo be reprimanded and his four-star commander from SOUTHCOM said no, I don't agree with that.

    MC: And General Geoffrey Miller was the one who was supposed to transplant those interrogation and torture techniques from Guantánamo to Abu Ghraib?

    JK: That's correct. There are sworn statements, not only from the interrogators and the FBI personnel down at Guantánamo Bay prior to even a thought of using Abu Ghraib for a prison location. These torture techniques were being implemented and used down at Guantánamo Bay and, of course, now we have lots of statements that say they were used in Afghanistan as well.

[identity profile] msboop.livejournal.com 2005-08-26 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
This woman's whining really gets on my nerves. Especially the part where the soldiers were just "following orders." The UCMJ specifically prohibits a military member from following illegal orders. Whether or not the orders were illegal is no longer up for debate, but it was at the time of their prosecution because these techniques are not considered torture by some. Not only that, none of those techniques, except the nudity, is even against the geneva convention. I'm just wondering when civilians became in charge of the military's actions in war, because the pussification of an army is a sad thing. War may be a horrible thing, and I agree that it is, but when it happens - soldiers shouldn't be held to the manners one takes on at a formal dining.

[identity profile] mad-jamison.livejournal.com 2005-08-26 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm just wondering when civilians became in charge of the military's actions in war...

When the Pentagon says they do. And they did. Yes they should have disobeyed orders, but they should never have been put in that position, and the policy came right down from the Pentagon.

[identity profile] mad-jamison.livejournal.com 2005-08-26 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG! What is that icon? Do you work at Area 51?

[identity profile] msboop.livejournal.com 2005-08-26 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
issamunky

[identity profile] jodawi.livejournal.com 2005-08-26 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm the little one